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Saul Bollox
2:27 Mon Mar 2
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Street drugs (and alcohol) ruin peoples lives and kills many. Some people use drugs moderately, the same as alcohol users. A hell of a lot of people don't. I have worked with drug users in prison. You can never believe a word they say. Most are completely fucked up.
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Billy Blagg
1:22 Mon Mar 2
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Never so much as smoked a cigarette. More because I'm a control freak than anything probably.
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chim chim cha boo
1:15 Mon Mar 2
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Jesus Briano that's fucking rough. All the smack users I've ever known have functioned reasonably normally right up until the end. Not one has ever asked me for a favour or a loan. Not one has ever been a lying shitbag either.
Vexed, although you are entitled to your view about them being weak, when it came to Geordie John it seems the Parachute Regiment disagree with you.
It just goes to show how different people are on gear and when you think about it how difficult it must be to treat them.
Personally as an ex-recreational drug user like a lot of my pals, there comes a time in life when it doesn't have the same effects it had when you were a kid and there are few sights more tragic than a bugled- up bloke in his late 40s acting the cunt in a boozer or a club.
Plus there comes a time where you've gone out on Friday night pilled-up, had a couple of fun hours but can't remember anything once the pills wore off and the beer kicked in and you still feel fucking shocking on Wednesday. That's when I decided the high wasn't worth losing half the next week for and jacked it in.
A good few of my mates have more or less done the same.
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Bamber
12:49 Mon Mar 2
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I've worked with many heroin addicts over the years and saw a good number of my schoolmates die back in the 80s from it. Heroin users, well most of them, are the most untrustworthy people on the planet. They wouldn't regard anything as more important than their next fix, including their children. The best description I've heard was from someone who worked exclusively with users for more than 10 years. He said "an alcoholic will rob your wallet to feed his habit. A heroin user will rob it and then help you look for it." It's slow suicide for people who have lost the will to live but haven't quite reached the point where they want to end it all.
Any positives? It may help you lose weight as part of a calorie controlled diet.
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Annony
12:38 Mon Mar 2
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Briano very sad to hear that, sorry for all affected. Evil drug.
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Marston Hammer
12:32 Mon Mar 2
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*staggers into thread to ask for a blanket*
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Vexed
12:26 Mon Mar 2
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Addictive personality = code for piss weak individual innit?
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mallard
12:17 Mon Mar 2
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Is it Barry Shitpeas!
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Eerie Descent
12:16 Mon Mar 2
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Give the man a break, Briano.
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Briano
12:07 Mon Mar 2
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I've mentioned my brother in law here before. I could write a book about The grief he has caused over the last 25 years, borstal, felt ham every prison in the South of England, Robbing his parents robbing my house, deported from Amsterdam, Permanent damage to his arm from a police dog when caught burgling a house, overdosed in a squalid flat in Deptford one Christmas, inhaled his own vomit damaging his lungs causing pneumonia, also whilst out of it in front of a 2 bar electric fire burnt his leg down to the bone again causing permanent disability, I could go on all night, he's on methadone but picks at his leg so it don't heal in order to get the money, he also once got a car on motability £14,000 Mazda and let the back seat out to an alcoholic who would go begging to give him another source of income. Hiv from dirty needles, turning up on your doorstep at 4 in the morning wild eyed and demanding that I pay the cab from across town then having to give him cash to piss off, giving a dealer my address to sort his debts, old bill coming round asking his whereabouts after he's smashed a security guard around the head With a bottle of Whisky he was caught nicking from Sainsburys etc etc etc
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chim chim cha boo
11:26 Sun Mar 1
Re: Heroin
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peroni 9:40 Sun Mar 1
Believe me, my record is not exactly unblemished when it comes to drugs.
I alluded slightly to addictive personalities when I said John swapped one obsession (heroin) for another, which was extreme exercise. I think to a great extent it's people that are addicts, not drugs that are addictive. Heroin of course highly addictive. If you took it every day for ten days you'd be psychically addicted to it.
Funnily enough I had some personal experience of withdrawal only last year. I had a blood clot in my bowel and keeled over in agony at home. I've never felt pain like it and needed morphine every two hours for over a week until they could operate on me. Then I was discharged from hospital with two huge bottles of the stuff and by the time I was half way through the second bottle I realised I was actually dependent on it.
I tried to stop suddenly but got a feeling of extreme cramp all over and just couldn't get warm, couldn't sleep and felt constantly restless and excited. All this didn't go well with the fact that I'd only just had an operation and was still feeling that. Constantly stretching, moving around and itching was fucking with my recovery and I ended up cutting down to a dose at lunchtime and one before bed, cutting down by 5mls a day.
I did it but it was much more difficult than I expected, and I'm a proper stubborn cunt. As I said earlier in the thread I'm going to give morphine a miss for as long as I can.
Geordie John's story is not even the saddest brush with heroin I've ever encountered- that would be Guy my best pal and guitarist in my band. I can't even think about it without getting depressed. I've lost 4 good pals to heroin. I always think of The Hold Steady lyric about heroin far more than anything Lou Reed wrote:
Started recreational,
Ended in the hospital.
It came on warm and sweet and then it tightened up it's tentacles.
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neilalex
10:01 Sun Mar 1
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I think that can be the case Peroni, however most are pointing out that it's a dangerous bastard above and beyond other drugs. I did mountains of coke , including crack, back in the 80's and 90's but never had a problem going without. But I did watch mates who I respected as being tough, hard people get totally fucked by smack and in some cases die. They were the same blokes I did coke, acid, mushrooms etc. with, and they never had a problem with those either.
I believe it gets under your skin and controls you in a way that most other drugs don't. I know from experience that, for example, it isn't as powerful as acid in its effects, but I never met anyone actually addicted to acid. i don't know what it does, but its something to steer clear of IMO.
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peroni
9:44 Sun Mar 1
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'
ha - and so it goes on......
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9:43 Sun Mar 1
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I'm missing something here because I cannot see anything to call the story great.
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peroni
9:40 Sun Mar 1
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chim chim cha boo 5:29 Sun Mar 1
Great story, and I mean that.
But conversely, I went raving a lot when I was younger - and had a fucking great time. Some nights we were flying so high we did a little heroin as the sun rose, and it was simply the best. Chilled us right out, and was just what the doctor ordered. After a massive night of partying, dancing, meeting strangers and feeling like they were your long lost best mates, it was cool to have a bit of quiet tie on our own.
Point is, there's always an over-dramatic, hand-wringing, anti-drugs speel, but the truth is - its entirely up to the individual what he does with his own body. For every RIP best mate who's come a cropper, there's fucking hundreds who've just dabbled and enjoyed.
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9:39 Sun Mar 1
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Reading some of the posts on here I realise that I've lead a very sheltered life...............thank goodness.
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jonthehammer
9:36 Sun Mar 1
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Northern Sold 6:17 Sun Mar 1
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Zammo
9:31 Sun Mar 1
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Drugs are shit, the older I get the more I am starting to really hate them.
Good at the time, then feel like shit for days, cost too much, distort your mindset.
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neilalex
6:23 Sun Mar 1
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I think the fact that so many of us have dead mates as a result of it tells you all you need to know.
The closest I got to it was in hospital. I had to get my hand stitched up and needed a general anaesthetic because I had cut a tendon. Anyway, before they give you the general they give you a thing called a premed which halfway knocks you out, and which is a synthetic opiate. It was very, very pleasant and dreamlike.
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